B-Rant

- submitted by M.B.Darden on 02/13/2008

  

Things I Learned At The Apple Store -- Part 2

By M.B.Darden

The other day I wrote a piece, Things I Learned At The Apple Store. It contained some of my impressions (mostly positive) from my first visit to an Apple Store in my local shopping mall. Some of it was tongue-in-cheek, some meant to be funny; and some was meant to reflect in a light-hearted anecdotal way my reaction.

The piece provoked a sh*t storm of reaction. I want to thank those (the large majority) who understood it for what it was -- and whose comments (some critical, some complimentary) were reasonable, connected to reality. But I particularly want to thank the outspoken minority who reacted as if I'd informed them their houses (no, their PCs) were on fire and I lit the match. The venom and hysteria, the rage -- and frankly the stunningly small-minded stupidity -- was refreshing. Like I had said in the piece, I'm a tech idiot. It was my first visit ever to an Apple Store. The piece was presented as anything but a tech story or as something recommending or touting Macs or Apple products; as I said, I could care less about Apple or its products.

What was interesting to me was the "happening" that seemed to be going on at the Apple Store. The vibe and experience. There was a pretty dynamic and positive interplay between customers and store "Geniuses." Old folks and young. People, it seemed to me, were having a lot of fun. Apple, in this store, had clearly tapped into something unusual. The mall was empty; yet the store was filled, like some over-lighted, noisy tech amusement park. Simply put, you just don't see retail environments like this often (if ever). [Remember the Dell stores? You won't soon. Or Gateway?-- how are those cow images doing? CompUSA, Staples, Best Buy, etc.?] This place impressed and interested me. But, having now experienced the narrow-minded insipidness of some of the Apple Haters (I'd never even heard of "Apple Haters" until after I wrote the story), I'm interested in you (Apple Haters) too....

Really, what the f**k is wrong with you? What is it that you're apparently so insecure about? Do you have lives? Did some of you get any kind of education past high school? At work, do you ever leave your cubes? Do you ever have sex (with other human beings)? Is it fun to be rage-filled? Have you ever tried not to be so pissed off? Are you aware of critical adjectives other than, dumbass, moron, you suck, etc.?

Here are just a few of the "negative" reactions and comments (and, yea, not all are limited to the few choice adjectives)....To my surprise, most of them were answered by other commenters a lot more effectively and eloquently than my admittedly flippant responses below. Still, I can't resist a few....

"You totally suck..."
"Dumbass, dumbass, dumbass..."

"I've never met more stupid morons..."

"You are the biggest idiot ever...idiocy is an understatement...
"
[These are tough ones. Not sure what "stupid" adds to "morons"; are there morons who aren't stupid?; are stupid morons more moronic than morons who aren't stupid? It's confusing. Same with "idiocy" being an "understatement" -- what exactly would that make me, stupider, more moronic than an "idiot"? The passion is impressive but the clarity, not so much.]


"I have never read anything more ignorant and factually inaccurate as this article..."
"This is the dumbest thing I have ever read..."
[Have you read John Grisham's latest novel? Or that guy's book that denies the Holocaust or WWII ever happened? Try the book by Tolosani, excoriating Copernicus for claiming the earth rotates around the sun. Those are pretty dumb and ignorant too.]


"Go find some play-dough or something, leave thinking to the big boys..."
[I love play-dough, always have; so, if that's your criteria, you're right, I'm pretty dumbass. Thing is, who are the "big boys"? Are they you and your friends? What do you think about, other than stupid? Let's see...that Apple isn't doing well; that the Apple Store isn't a scene; that the fact that it is such a scene and a magnet for people of all ages is, what, made up, dumbass, double dumbass? Guess what, there wasn't much attempt at thinking at all in the piece -- it was a collection of impressions and the impressions were pretty positive about the store, the goings-on, the excitement there. So, fine, you do the thinking and, when you're ready and if your heads don't explode from the massive effort, let us know what you've thought.]


"You're a friggin moron, could you use any more stereotypes to cast people at the Apple store?..."
[Let's see. I observed that the Apple sales people, kind of a geeky-looking crew, were "chick magnets." I also observed that some of them, despite their self-effacing, tame outward demeanors, were aggressive, effective "monster" sellers. Thing is, if the observations had been stereotypical, they would've suggested the Geniuses weren't attracting or flirting with girls and weren't big-time aggressive sellers. Remember, pat, over-simplistic, false generalizations (like geeks being weak and shy around girls): Stereotype. Non-pat, unexpected, individualistic descriptions: Not Stereotype.]


"You're just another stupid moron from suburbia pretending to know what you're talking about..."
[Absolutely, on the stupid moron from suburbia. In fact, think I used the word "retard" to describe my expertise; but that's not a lot different than "stupid moron." I didn't pretend or claim to know what I was talking about; I suggested the opposite, remember? Useful tip: It might be helpful to read the piece you're trashing before trashing it. Also, it's true I'm a stupid moron from suburbia; but I'm pretty sure some people out here aren't. I'm guessing there are a lot of people in the burbs who know their sh*t about computers and tech, etc. I don't know them -- and they may think I'm a stupid moron in that area too and wouldn't want to hang out with me -- but surely they're here.]

"...This kind of anecdotal evidence [that's positive to Apple] would fail a first year journalism student. Hell, in high school that would be marks off any paper...I cringed while reading this..."
[The piece was presented as an anecdotal personal experience. And if you're referring to a comment in the piece in which I said, e.g., Apple has "won"...always good to read the following sentences -- in this case in which I said, "How do I know it's won? I don't." Again, deep breaths, read the 1st line, then the 2nd and, if you haven't exhausted yourself, so on...]

"Your light gray font sucks..."
[Excellent. When you don't like the message, kill the font-creator. Unfortunately, I had nothing to do with the font; but I'll pass on your criticism. How do you feel about magenta?]

Thing is, all the reactions (negative & positive) got me thinking. I wrote the piece off of my first visit to an Apple Store. Why don't I go back again, see what's up now? So I did. And, it so happens, on another cold, crappy snowing-sleeting day in the northeast. I won't go into detail, but here are a few highlights of what I saw -- non-journalistically and as the dumbass stupid idiotic sucking moron observer that I am...

  1. The Apple Store Was Packed. The mall was pretty desolate on account of the weather. Yet (again) the Apple Store was packed. To you Haters out there, I'm sorry. What can I do? The place was filled. People still seemed like they were having a good time, the lines at the registers were active, there was still a line waiting to get into the "lounge" area.
  2. Apple Geniuses (or sales people). They looked mostly geeky, as before. They seemed equally competent & aggressive. There were still some girls there hovering about some of them -- but probably not quite as many. Also, unlike my first visit, I wasn't sold a new desk top system. (1 in a couple weeks is enough.)
  3. I did not observe any moms approaching store managers asking about getting their kids signed up for the Genius Program. But I did ask a manager about it. He said people come in every day to sign up and they can't accommodate most of them. Was he lying? No clue.
  4. The Steve Jobs Photo. Last time, I mentioned there was a photo of Jobs -- in his typical black garb -- on the wall. This time it wasn't there. Stolen or defiled by an Apple Hater? Taken down for updating? (Maybe Jobs is finally going to lose the black turtleneck?) I asked an asst. manager, but he had no idea.
  5. Bridging The Generation Gap. Still a lot of young people and older ones playing with the tech toys and seeming to have a good time -- sometimes on their own, sometimes with each other. I'll defer to the experts to determine the significance. But I stand by my observation: Any company that manages to create a happening destination and a product line that gets teens and fogies equally excited has figured out something pretty impressive. Does this mean the products are good or better than the competitors'? No -- I have no idea whether they are or not; and I'm not touting (and never did) any Apple product at all. But Apple has gotten retail and marketing and style down and no Apple critics can change those facts.
  6. A Place To Buy Furniture. It was a joke, for chrissakes. Yea, the furniture was comfortable. But I'd never buy my furniture at Apple...at least unless they offered me more of their great coffee from the lounge and a few used computer magazines from the lounge tables.

Has Apple "won"? Like I said before, I have no idea really. But here is what I have an idea about. First, to the people who challenged the "Apple-winning" concept based on Apple's market share -- it's true, they've got a ways to go; but in consumer market share (as opposed to business) and in terms of overall growth trends, Apple is gaining huge ground. They're also winners in marketing, packaging, design -- and, as importantly from a business perspective, in capturing the imagination of the consumer. Numerous established companies (including many in the media, some at which I've worked) are now regularly modeling against Apple tactics. Apple has succeeded in turning its products (and not just computers obviously) into "happenings", its brand into a "cool" concept people want to be associated with. It's not easy and tons of companies across many industries are trying to catch up and copy.

As for Apple Stores...I've been told by lots of people my experience is common. Whether it is or not, the fact that I observe things the way I have means something. Because, coming from a place where I really couldn't care less about Apple or any of its competitors, if I leave a store feeling there's something unusual-special going on there, that matters. It matters too that in this upscale mall in the heart of suburbia, Apple is filled with people looking to play and buy -- when most of the other mall stores are largely empty.

As for my being an idiot about buying a new desktop system on my last (first) visit to Apple...like I said, I'm an idiot. But, in truth, I wanted it. I knew some people who raved about the computer; I was interested in trying a Mac (having used Dells for so long). I figured if I didn't like it or became more "rational" when I got home, I could always return it. I had already promised myself a very large gift (though was thinking more like a big TV) -- but (to paraphrase from an ancient movie) sometimes, in the moment, you just have to say what the f**k.


M.B.Darden has written for numerous magazines and newspapers (some of which you have heard of). He has had more jobs in the media & entertainment & financial industries than he can remember (i.e., he's been fired a lot, but then often inexplicably rehired). He lives in the burbs somewhere in the Northeast, with his family and, he says, within 30 minutes of 14 shopping malls....read more rants

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Hahahah

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

You are still a complete idiot. Who the hell do you think you are?

This guy thinks his P.O.S. article is worthy of comparing to John Grisham and to Tolosani's book about Copernicus. What a raving looney!!

George W, is that you? You should be running the country. Put down the crayon's and stop submitting articles to this stupid web site.

Fucking DORK.


Please fix your CSS

- submitted by Brett on 02/14/2008

I did not read more that the first two paragraphs of your article. The compressed (or non-existent) line leading makes your posting very difficult to read. I found that much more annoying than the drivel that pissed off the other posters here.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading


apple vs pc

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

one thing you didnt mention in your first article was that you were planning on a big purchase or even thinking of a mac, it becomes less an impulse buy then. Apple's biggest problem is price, plus anyone that thinks Apple is super stable only needs look as far as the latest patch for Leopard. I run everything, XP, Vista, Tiger, Ubuntu whatever I don't care. I got my Dell becuase it was MUCH cheaper and more powerful than the MacBook Pro. Apple is lucky there are not many people that would kill for something like a MacBook Air and pay that high a price. If that was brought out in the same form as PC people would destroy it for its price point and features! Anyway enjoy your new Apple I'm sure you'll like it, but realize that the PC is long here to stay. No matter how many people are in and having fun in the Apple store.


Trolling

- submitted by Egg on 02/14/2008

When I read the first article I was unimpressed about the "Apple Wins Because..." argument, but thats just me. Some people post angry/dumb comments on the internet, this is not new. The fact that you responded to it makes you an even bigger moron then them. They are just submitting comments and trolling an author. YOU are writing articles and trolling them back.

Fail.


Re: missing the point

- submitted by psv on 02/14/2008

I think s/he was spot on.

More to the point, it's a red state/blue state mentality and it's a war you walked right into. There's a lot of stereotypes where Dell users are 'hillbillies' and Apple users are 'effete'.

On the outside, Mac users can appear cult like and even in your comments you see a lot of 'haha, Windows security/virus/trojan/bsod issues'. On the outside, PC users can seem neanderthalic, basic/uninspired users.

The truth is, Windows PCs aren't all zombie trojan machines and its users aren't all boring, mindless drones; nor are Macs super secure, nor are all its users tree hugging web developers sipping unpronouncible coffees.

What's funny is this difference is purposely manufactured to hide the fact that the second biggest developer on the Mac is Microsoft and that Microsoft pumped money into Apple in the 90s. Not only that, but Apple is porting or has ported their signature programs over to the Windows platform. And Apple and MS software now both run on the x86 platform!

I personally like Macs, I think they're quite austere in their simplicity; I don't own one because every person who I know who owns a Mac has had some kind of catastrophic mechanical failure (these are laptops, mind you). Once the anecdotal failure rate slows, I'll be a buyer.

Otherwise, good articles, much enjoyed.


why people buy apple

- submitted by Xin on 02/14/2008

what i have noticed so far is the people that buys Macs because they look cool. Usually they don't know how good or bad a computer is, but as long as it looks cool it's good. no doubt some macs are good but in most cases for the same price a pc will offer better hardware. i think it is pretty obivious that this blog post and the previous one are extemely biased. you should of expected the attacks you got when you write something like this. if i wrote an article on PCs and how i think it's the best thing in the world. i will get the same kind of attack from apple fans. so since i know apple is so expensive and so not worth the money i will say things like. yes i have a university degree, yes i have sex. yes i have a life. yes i am stress free and making good money. and i will ask you are you stupid enough to spend more money on less capability? are you making millions (because if you are than you really should not be blogging about apple computers lol)? are you a poser? do you have sex? and if so are you having sex with the Apple Geniuses, gay or straight?


I have a macbook with boot

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

I have a macbook with boot camp. I don't understand why people align themselves so strongly to a product, like what they choose is somehow molded to their identity. I love using my mac for surfing the web, managing email, managing photos, etc. But, I switch over to Windows when I need to for work or school. I don't care either way.

People truly need to quit defining who they are by what products they buy. It's shallow and sad.


Hah

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

I can't believe the author used the "omg anyone who said something bad about me doesn't get laid and has no life..." defense.

I am amazed that someone who has a blog/website still has no idea how the internet works. Some people spend 1 minute giving you negative comments, and you spend hours retorting to 14 year olds. Welcome to their level.


quote: Apple goes to great -

- submitted by Dude on 02/14/2008

quote: Apple goes to great

- submitted by Vic dude on 02/14/2008 "i don't see Microsoft making ridiculous mac vs pc commercials that slag the competition is ways that have nothing to do with reality".

Yeah, because lying, cheating, stealing, stealing even more code yet again (read: Quicktime in the 90's),being an abusive predatory monopoly that the federal government refused to break up under a certain president's watch is at all equal to tongue and check advertising.


Dude Cont...

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Hey Dude...

Hate to break it to you, but the whole idea of the macintosh computer was stolen from Xerox, from the Palo Alto facility back long ago. It's part of design in general. No ones hands are clean, apples products are white, doesn't mean they are pure.


I don't believe you

- submitted by Mr. Nick on 02/14/2008

I just don't believe you. I have Apple stores too, here in NY. You make it sound like a theme park, where girls flock to the men who are good at using Apple computers (Mac geniuses).

I'm sorry, but this seems like either a paid ad or the fantasy of an Apple fanatic... Don't get me wrong, I don't think Macs are bad machines (at least not anymore - they used to be horrible before they switched to Intel chips; the G3,G4 & G5 simply lagged in comparison).

Its really the tone you take. Its very sensationalistic journalism - its something no regular person would say after leaving an Apple store.

When I go in Apple stores, I do see people buying ipods, buying the latest incarnation of OS X, a lap top and a computer here and there... and it is a reasonably comfortable environment... but the atmosphere isn't the shangri la you speak of.

I'm just having trouble believing someone can write this without some agenda, kickback or other motivation.


iPod Store

- submitted by onethousandohms on 02/14/2008

I live in San Francisco. A few weeks ago I was approached by two tourists downtown who asked me directions to the "iPod Store." It was funny and I have been referring to the "Apple Store" as the "iPod Store" since.

http://vequalsir.blogspot.com


love the Apple posts

- submitted by bob on 02/14/2008

Great job with the Apple posts -- I've used both a Windoze machine and a Mac -- I much prefer Mac - for a lot of the reasons you mentioned. However, had you said Mac SUCKS in your posts - I would have simply smiled and went on my merry OS X way -- either you get it -- or you don't -- Great job...


Good observations

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

I have seen the same scene at Apple stores in Southern California. I agree that any company that can attract this kind of crowd is minting money. Time to buy some Apple stock.


Macs

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

I really hope that Macs don't take marketshare. I love my Mac and one of the precise reasons I do is because I haven't gotten one iota of the spyware and viruses that infected my old Dell laptop. As soon as Macs "take over the world," they'll be subject to just as much of the technological disease that exists on the web that infects PCs now, just because of their sheer numbers. Why create a virus that will only infect a small percentage of computers out there?

Also for the record, I use a Mac at home and a PC at work and I don't particularly mind my work PC, but I would only use one when its backed up by the hardcore network protection that comes from working at a company that is basically entirely run on the Web.

I think your first article was assute and correct. Apple stores have always been shiny, happy places every time I've been in one, though I try not to go in too often because inevitably I will buy something I don't need (with help from the Mac salespeople or not). Most of the time I enter an Apple store, it's to visit a Genius to have my iBook fixed. Never once have they failed me. And I will continue to buy Macs for the incredile tech support they offer us newbies. I know really next to nothing about computers, Macs or PCs, but those guys don't make me feel like an idiot for asking simple questions or for taking in my laptop for what I see as a simple problem. That's why the stores are packed -- salespeople who don't talk to customers like they're stupid. That's a huge commodity.

All the Mac-haters out there are proving by responding so ignorantly themselves to your piece is that they're resistent to change, to new technology and to being open-minded. So what if you bought a new Mac? Computer preference is not the kind of argument we need to be having. For some people PCs will always be a better machine for what they need; for some Macs will be a better fit. These people need to really get a life and find something better to do with their opinions. Think outside the box people.


"Your gray font..."

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Ask him to look up font. On screen it's considered a typeface, a font is the original source, whether that be the file it's generated from or the cast characters.


All computers suck

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

And suck even more for witing about them.


Interesting read!

- submitted by dwc on 02/14/2008

The first time I walked into an Apple store i NYC, I was pretty impressed by it as well. I wanted to sit in the classes they were offering. I wanted to buy a Mac. My only reason for not getting one is that I did not have money. It is not just the Geniuses, but the entire place is a "chick" magnet. It's great eye candy on all levels. The store layout itself, the hardware they sell, the people. Same as your experience. the lines are always long. I've been there a few times. I just had never spoken with anyone in there. I'll definitely head back and check it out again as well as the other stores. The in-mall Apple stores I've seen do not compare as nicely as the stand-alone one I've been to. It isn't even the super fancy one on 5th avenue. :-)


Thanks for your humorous

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Thanks for your humorous take - in both articles. They really made my day. LOL!


It is their life

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Most computing people make their money selling Microsoft and PC stuff. So that's why they act so violently to anything that might interfere with that.


the font comments

- submitted by Matt on 02/14/2008

Interesting Article. I dont have an Apple Store in my city and I've never been in one, but the people I know who have have all given me the same impression.

I also find it interesting that PC users are just as fanatical as Mac users. Who knew? "My computer is better than yours!" who cares?

Unrelated to this, if you look at the web page in windows (I'm running it in VMWare on my MacPro, I'm a web developer) the page is actually kinda hard to read (no anti-aliasing in Windows), looks great in Leopard though :) Sorry PC users.


TO THE IGNORANT COMMENTERS

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

To all your PC guys complaining about Apple, please get a life. First of all, the sales people at the Apple store are called Mac specialists. They do not run on commission. And to the guy who said that he can get a Dell XPS better than a macbook pro does not know what he is talking about. If you Price out a Dell and a macbook pro, the dell will end up costing more in order to even match the power of the macbook pro. If you really want to know why apple does so well, is that they care about the their customers and customer service is key. All the specialists are trained to show they offer and they come up with "solutions" on what products a customer needs for what they are trying to accomplish. They also have other services for people who want to learn how to use a mac and they have the Genius bar which is the technical service bar where customers can get their computers repaired. If they are under warranty, all repairs are free. No other pc company offers this kind of service. Plus unlike best buy and other stores, Apple lets you full try their products, the computers arent just demos. Which is why people just come up to the store and play with the products that are offered. Unlike most retail...Apple has done lots of research to ensure that the customer is happy and that they get solutions they need for whatever purpose.


>I also find it interesting

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

>>I also find it interesting that PC users are just as fanatical as Mac users. Who knew? "My computer is better than yours!" who cares?

Unrelated to this, if you look at the web page in windows (I'm running it in VMWare on my MacPro, I'm a web developer) the page is actually kinda hard to read (no anti-aliasing in Windows), looks great in Leopard though :) Sorry PC users.<<

Summar of Comment: -Who cares about the Mac vs. PC thing I'm above it.

-My Mac is better than your PC, no big deal though.


thoughts

- submitted by Gord on 02/14/2008

There is, I feel, a lot of insecurity and envy, a lot of longtime hatreds that are so hard to untangle, that people don't even give a thought to analyzing them. People on both (sides) have invested a lot of time and/or money into their platforms of choice. To me there is no difference between this and other more traditional forms of intolerance.

When you talked about the good vibes in the Apple store, I got the impression that people were there for something more than just buying anything. They were there to be together, to warm their hands (so to speak), on each other's company. And in this day and age, who better than Apple to make that happen?

On the hater end of things, in this case the ones calling you a moron / idiot / whatever, I think they would like to take part in the good times, only they either don't have enough money for something like an iPod, Touch, iPhone, MBP or MBA, and so they loath you for that fact. I imagine they are sociopathic in other areas of life as well. They want in on the fun, but for whatever reason, they can't get in. So it's like the bad boy who can't join the club.. he throws rocks at the clubhouse instead.


Le Sigh

- submitted by Spraynard Kruger on 02/14/2008

Apple makes computers for people who dont know how to use computers. The reason the store is packed is because most people are idiots and dont know their ass from a hole in the ground. The salesmen/women that work in the stores are not Geniuses. They are also idiots who are trying to sell a lifestyle. All Apple wants is to make money off of stupid people. Their mouse has one friggen button. Imagine that. They dont think the average person is competent enough to operate a two button mouse. And for a large majority, they're right, as most people have an IQ that borders along the line of legal mental retardation (70).

Apple is selling a lifestyle, not home electronics. They are trying to convince you that their products are a way of living. A social movement. Its just a fucking mp3 player. Buying one doesn't give you the right to say that if Gandhi was going to buy an mp3 player, he'd buy an iPod. Self-righteous twats buy into this shit and shove their opinions down everyone else's throats. Maddox is right. One thing PC users (smart people) can do that Mac users cant is SHUT THE FUCK UP. No one cares about your life-changing experience inside of Steve Jobs' asshole. No one had an epiphany while buying a white studded belt online on their Mac. No one cured Cancer while listening to Neutral Milk Hotel on iTunes (the biggest resource hog on the planet). Jesus. Shut the fuck up already. Take your fucking Mac and your financially driven lifestyle born form weakness and shove it up your ass. You're so spineless and weak-willed to believe in Apple. Does everyone really just want to spend all their money on useless shit, just so they can say they own it and let every fucking person on the planet know they own it, so they can fit in and not be social outcasts? Seriously? Is there a need to talk loudly on your iPhone inside a Dunkin Donuts about how you can use Google whenever you want? Do you have to fit into the bullshit stereo-type that Apple is creating for all these brainless douche bags?

The truth is, Apple makes some decent products. They are in no way superior to a Windows based system at all, but they are decent. The iPod is neat. The iPhone comes in handy, but most people that own one are douche bags. And that's just it. Apple makes decent products that are nifty, but all douche bags own them and never shut the fuck up about how great the products are.

The bottom line: SHUT THE FUCK UP. Stop sucking Apple's dick. Live your own life and stop buying in to bullshit marketing campaigns built to make you feel inferior and socially ostracized until you spend enough money to fit in with "Apple Social Movement."

I'm not going to make comments on other comments because the people who wrote them suffer from several learning disabilities.


Don't worry

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Don't worry about what people say. Your article was smart and funny. The people complaining have apparently not been in an apple store yet.


Wrong answer on GUI but nice try

- submitted by Dude on 02/14/2008

Dude Cont...

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Hey Dude...

Hate to break it to you, but the whole idea of the Macintosh computer was stolen from Xerox, from the Palo Alto facility back long ago. It's part of design in general. No ones hands are clean, apples products are white, doesn't mean they are pure.

BZZZZZZTTTT Wrong answer try a again. Hate to be the one who breaks it to you: Actually start reading about the birth of GUI, the genesis of the mac and such... woudl better serve you then being wrong in a public forum.

try www.folklore.org, you know the people who were actually there. I'm guessing that you weren't there. those guys were.

Try researching Douglas Englebart circa 1962.

Try Sketchpad in 1963.

Try Jef Raskin and some of his ideas about Quickdraw in 1967.

Read up on Bruce Horn, best and most accurate synopsis of the origin of GUI yet.

All of which predates Xerox Parc by about 5 years at minimum. If could be conceived that the ideas of GUI might even strech back as far as the 1940/1950's

The Xerox myth is always fun. I live in Xerox's hometown and its always amusing to listen to "How Apple stole from Xerox", as if Microsoft's outright theft from Apple somehow magically and mystically makes it ok to say "well Apple stole first"...

Come back when you have some real arguments.

Lastly if it wasn't for Apple we'd all still be staring at C:\\


I refuse to surrender my consumer liberties for brand loyalties.

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

To the author: glad you admitted you fell into the marketing planned obsolecense spell of apple. That's not entirely bad, Jobs does an excellent task creating buzz.

C'mon! _just_ 2300 USD for 3 years of usability? I prefer 600 USD for 6 years usability and no windows/mac tax, thank you!

Not that apple hardware is overpriced per se, they're just bundling costly components and limiting options to mid and high level pricings, using odd selection of specs as a business decision (for example, for >1200 USD, all machines should have at this point at least 2GB RAM, no excuses). Minis are no entry level computers, they're just coach seats to the MacOS trip.

And the MacOS is good, don't get me wrong, but I hate the idea of locking me in with propietary formats and drm (this is defective by design). As a reference you could read why Cory Doctorow of Boing Boing fled from the mac.

And I fully agree with the fellow openbsd anonymous user. As bsd users, we end up being more reasonable and keep an objective point of view.

PCs are tools. Use the best tool for the job. I'll stick with an absolutely free OS, FreeBSD, usable in whatever hardware I please (as in freedom of choice, not lame free speach or free beers) for most of my needs, and continue to use windows, osx, solaris, linux distributions, and bsd derivatives as required.

I'm tired of all these evangelists in the comments section, apple zealots and windows sheep (only linux fanboys are missing). Please inform yourself and get your facts straight.

I absolutely refuse to surrender my consumer liberties for an absurd set of blind brand loyalties.

P.S. So, Apple users are pepsi drinking rich christians, and PC(?) users are poor cocacola drinking jews? (PC =/ Windows; FYI all user level, non mainframe, non workstation, computers are personal computers, including macs).


Spraynard Kruger

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT...YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MACS!!! GO FUCK YOUR HAND, THAT IS ALL THE ACTION YOU WILL EVER GET. HAPPY VALENTINES!


mac vs PC

- submitted by John on 02/14/2008

I am a computer network manager, certified as an MCSE, CNE, etc.... I made the switch to the mac about 1.5 years ago and haven't looked back.

I have to support Windows & Mac systems at work and have more problems with the Windows systems than I have ever had with the Macs.

I used to be one of those that slammed the Mac every chance I got. HOWEVER, I have always admitted that they did graphics better than a PC, that has changed as well.

I have Windows, Linux, and Macs at home and have fewer problems with the Linux/Unix & Mac.


haha.... glad to see you

- submitted by Poster form 1st on 02/14/2008

haha.... glad to see you reacted to my comment. I have quite a life, filled with sex multple times a week, I don't hate the world and I have my own office not just a cube! ..just to poke a bit at your opener.

Thanks for posting again about nonsense + the degradation we put you through. You made my day by including my comment!


cant we all just get along?

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Well, I missed the story this story was referring about until today, but I have to say I really enjoyed it. Anybody that had negative things to say about that clearly had way too much time and negative energy. Try switching to decaf or trying yoga. Flaming people for the sake of being contradictory is getting really old!


Good article, and good to

- submitted by Gamer on 02/14/2008

Good article, and good to hear Apple is seemingly doing well. I'm sorry if some vicious pc users, that believe they know everything about computers attacked you- not everyone in the tech world is vehement.

I prefer a pc to mac or even linux, more out of necessity than anything else- unfortunately for the world, windows works (mostly) and is compatible with everything (mostly). While Apple remains very proprietary in hardware and software.

I game a lot, work with windows clients, and custom-build my computers (cheaper btw, no labor charges for prebuilt)- so pc is what I go for. I don't despise Apple, but when I'm asked if people should buy one, it's a matter for what their needs are. Macs are nice, but for the price you can get a cheap pc that will surf the web and check email. As said, that's 90% of the computer ownership...

The people that get upset over one OS vs. another are the people that know more than the average user and intend use for more than just surfing the web, gamers are a large audience and sadly Macs and Linux have problems with compatibility, and to get a high-end system that supports high-end games, you have to buy expensive prebuilt rigs- as Apple does not support custom parts.

-->I'll close in saying that, if sometime in the future Microsoft's monopoly crumbles, I'll be one of the first people to switch. But right now Windows remains compatible and the 'standard' and unfortunately is what I use.


Grammar

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Please learn to write in more complete and concise sentences. Your writing style feels like my brain after too much coffee. Congratulations on your masterful and viral internet controversy trolling. Hope the hits bring in the ad moneys.


I, for one, like both your articles

- submitted by Ryan C. on 02/14/2008

I'm an Apple user, but I'm not a rabid one. I know what strengths and weaknesses both PCs and Macs have. In my opinion, Macs are much more user friendly and there's a zen-like simplicity in both design of the hardware and the software. PCs are more versatile and more accessible to people.

I'm with you on not being able to understand these fanboyisms. I mean, who really cares? We spend our time and our money on things we see value in and it should be no one else's business.

Plus, I got the light-hearted satire in your articles. I don't know about the furniture though, the Apple stores I've been in have weird spheroid stools.

Finally, though I'm an Apple user, I'm not too fond of the Apple store. I buy most of the stuff I need online. One, it's way too damn bright inside one. Two, I'm the kind of consumer who likes to arm himself with knowledge before entering a store which, apparently, they are unprepared for.


U were right.

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

You had a good experience. There's nothing wrong with talking about it. Like the time when I had to deal with both Sony and Apple customer service in the same day and blogged about it... I'm not saying that Apple has the best customer service ever omg omg I'm a fangirl, I just had a really good experience. I noticed stuff. End of story. Screw the people who read into your entry things that you didn't say.


bravo gamer

- submitted by Dude on 02/14/2008

If though I disagree with some of you premises (macs work just fine in the business world even with exchange when set up properly). I will congratulate you on being sane and level headed in your response.

However one counter point. A mac mini can be bought for $599 with a high degree of being able to use a existing monitors, mice and keyboard from their previous PC.


choice...

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

no Coke, Pepsi!


haha

- submitted by Alex on 02/14/2008

Im a big boy!

in more ways than one!!

ive read your previous article and i agree 100% with what your saying, i happened to read it right after i got back from the apple store, to get my 1 DAY OLD macbook pro fixed ,, and thats not bullshit!

all the people calling you ignorant and slating your writing need to grow up and see a broader horizon and start to respect people for their thinking, afterall were all unique .. and who the fuck wants to be like most of you anyway!


Glad you had fun!

- submitted by Anon on 02/14/2008

So I read your articles out of order (damn you Digg! and my own foolishness), and am glad to hear you had an enjoyable time at an Apple Store. We try hard to really make a great atmosphere for customers and people who just want to hang out. At least it seemed like you had a pleasant experience. ^_^


Glad you had fun!

- submitted by Anon on 02/14/2008

So I read your articles out of order (damn you Digg! and my own foolishness), and am glad to hear you had an enjoyable time at an Apple Store. We try hard to really make a great atmosphere for customers and people who just want to hang out. At least it seemed like you had a pleasant experience. ^_^


the sales person is called a

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

the sales person is called a mac specialist. A genious is a computer technician. They do the repairs on the computers. Thy also evaluate the computers and diagnose them. As for of users, just go into an apple store. Have an open mind. As for the salespeople being monsters,they don't wor on comission so the monster you saw was an exception. The philosophy behind the mac specialist is to display the products and talk to people. The computers sell themselves.


wow.

- submitted by Gabriel on 02/14/2008

I have always owned PCs and let me tell you, I have ALWAYS had problems. I have used a number of MACs and never had an issue. Macs are great for graphics. Period. Everyone knows that. Unfortunately, you can't take a MAC apart to upgrade the ram or change the harddrive (my biggest and only issue). I guess I have this growing passionate hatred for Microsoft and Windows, primarily Vista. So, maybe next time I'll buy a MAC and not have to deal with Vista.

TO THE MAC H8ERS: I have to say that i am shocked at the negativity of some people. Criticizing something such as this generic article only reveals your own small mindedness and self obsession. Get a life.


Why ask why?

- submitted by Kaleo on 02/14/2008

The reason you get the extreme reactions is because there are far too many PC users (see, I could have said losers) who are experiencing cognitive dissonance.

They have been using the always kludgy Windows/Vista/PC and must cope with threatening information that Apple products have always been superior.

They have to resolve that dissonance by either purchasing Apple products (as many are doing) or spew venom. They cannot argue the facts; they simply engage in personal attacks (hmmm ... that rhymes!). In other words, in the face of threat, they cannot be rational only emotional.


Apple Store

- submitted by raondigg on 02/14/2008

I worked at 3 Apple Stores as a Trainer and then a Genius. I thought your article was funny. It was also the first time I was called a chic magnet.

Thank You.


Ur right Apple's won, sort of...

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

I think your 100 percent right about Apple winning, on the store front. With Dell having announced that they're closing all of their mall stores and kiosks and having lived 22 conscious years without ever actually seeing a Sony or Gateway store. I can whole heartedly agree that they have won, won so much that other major electronic retail stores are trying to get a piece of the action (Best Buy, and Radio Shack's attempting). How do I know cause I currently manage at the weaker of the 2 aforementioned evils. I'm typing this on an Xp Dell laptop, which I've grown to love and am very efficient with, but I also run Ubuntu on a slightly older desktop and love that too. But with that said my appreciation for those 2 OS's has come from the big learning curve involved with both that now makes me comfortable with them. Unlike my younger brother's brand spanking new Macbook which is incredibly easy to pick up and use, hence the appeal. And people don't game on your PCs if you've already spent 800 bucks or so on a 360 and a PS3 like I have, thats a waste. To sum up Macs are cool, chic and a growing fad, I wont be switching to one anytime soon but admire what Jobs is doing. Killer article MBD, will read more of your stuff in the future.


I love what Apple has done

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

I love what Apple has done but the rabbid Apple fan boys need to stop. They fuel the other end on the PC side thinking they have to pick sides like a religion and that gets nowhere.

Anyone new to Macs, please ignore them. Also, if you encounter a PC lover who readily dismisses Apple products, they should also be ignored.

They are trolls, do not feed them or acknowledge them.


bill gates is the devil

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

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Always Superior?

- submitted by Missing TheWoZ on 02/14/2008

Ha! Apple and always superior, like the Lisa? Its the arrogance and lack of knowledge about computing that just makes me shake my head, and ignore the clones.

Use what you like, shop where you are interested, just don't act like Apple is the best tool for everything, cause you know, its not.

Ohh and mabye a bit of thanks for all those PC users, that allowed you to have the OS you run now. BSD anyone?


Hell ya i'll put my name

- submitted by Carter Boyce on 02/14/2008

Dude you were right, apple will win, cuz they are AMAZING, and windows just sucks, simple as that!!!


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