B-Rant

- submitted by M.B.Darden on 02/13/2008

  

Things I Learned At The Apple Store -- Part 2

By M.B.Darden

The other day I wrote a piece, Things I Learned At The Apple Store. It contained some of my impressions (mostly positive) from my first visit to an Apple Store in my local shopping mall. Some of it was tongue-in-cheek, some meant to be funny; and some was meant to reflect in a light-hearted anecdotal way my reaction.

The piece provoked a sh*t storm of reaction. I want to thank those (the large majority) who understood it for what it was -- and whose comments (some critical, some complimentary) were reasonable, connected to reality. But I particularly want to thank the outspoken minority who reacted as if I'd informed them their houses (no, their PCs) were on fire and I lit the match. The venom and hysteria, the rage -- and frankly the stunningly small-minded stupidity -- was refreshing. Like I had said in the piece, I'm a tech idiot. It was my first visit ever to an Apple Store. The piece was presented as anything but a tech story or as something recommending or touting Macs or Apple products; as I said, I could care less about Apple or its products.

What was interesting to me was the "happening" that seemed to be going on at the Apple Store. The vibe and experience. There was a pretty dynamic and positive interplay between customers and store "Geniuses." Old folks and young. People, it seemed to me, were having a lot of fun. Apple, in this store, had clearly tapped into something unusual. The mall was empty; yet the store was filled, like some over-lighted, noisy tech amusement park. Simply put, you just don't see retail environments like this often (if ever). [Remember the Dell stores? You won't soon. Or Gateway?-- how are those cow images doing? CompUSA, Staples, Best Buy, etc.?] This place impressed and interested me. But, having now experienced the narrow-minded insipidness of some of the Apple Haters (I'd never even heard of "Apple Haters" until after I wrote the story), I'm interested in you (Apple Haters) too....

Really, what the f**k is wrong with you? What is it that you're apparently so insecure about? Do you have lives? Did some of you get any kind of education past high school? At work, do you ever leave your cubes? Do you ever have sex (with other human beings)? Is it fun to be rage-filled? Have you ever tried not to be so pissed off? Are you aware of critical adjectives other than, dumbass, moron, you suck, etc.?

Here are just a few of the "negative" reactions and comments (and, yea, not all are limited to the few choice adjectives)....To my surprise, most of them were answered by other commenters a lot more effectively and eloquently than my admittedly flippant responses below. Still, I can't resist a few....

"You totally suck..."
"Dumbass, dumbass, dumbass..."

"I've never met more stupid morons..."

"You are the biggest idiot ever...idiocy is an understatement...
"
[These are tough ones. Not sure what "stupid" adds to "morons"; are there morons who aren't stupid?; are stupid morons more moronic than morons who aren't stupid? It's confusing. Same with "idiocy" being an "understatement" -- what exactly would that make me, stupider, more moronic than an "idiot"? The passion is impressive but the clarity, not so much.]


"I have never read anything more ignorant and factually inaccurate as this article..."
"This is the dumbest thing I have ever read..."
[Have you read John Grisham's latest novel? Or that guy's book that denies the Holocaust or WWII ever happened? Try the book by Tolosani, excoriating Copernicus for claiming the earth rotates around the sun. Those are pretty dumb and ignorant too.]


"Go find some play-dough or something, leave thinking to the big boys..."
[I love play-dough, always have; so, if that's your criteria, you're right, I'm pretty dumbass. Thing is, who are the "big boys"? Are they you and your friends? What do you think about, other than stupid? Let's see...that Apple isn't doing well; that the Apple Store isn't a scene; that the fact that it is such a scene and a magnet for people of all ages is, what, made up, dumbass, double dumbass? Guess what, there wasn't much attempt at thinking at all in the piece -- it was a collection of impressions and the impressions were pretty positive about the store, the goings-on, the excitement there. So, fine, you do the thinking and, when you're ready and if your heads don't explode from the massive effort, let us know what you've thought.]


"You're a friggin moron, could you use any more stereotypes to cast people at the Apple store?..."
[Let's see. I observed that the Apple sales people, kind of a geeky-looking crew, were "chick magnets." I also observed that some of them, despite their self-effacing, tame outward demeanors, were aggressive, effective "monster" sellers. Thing is, if the observations had been stereotypical, they would've suggested the Geniuses weren't attracting or flirting with girls and weren't big-time aggressive sellers. Remember, pat, over-simplistic, false generalizations (like geeks being weak and shy around girls): Stereotype. Non-pat, unexpected, individualistic descriptions: Not Stereotype.]


"You're just another stupid moron from suburbia pretending to know what you're talking about..."
[Absolutely, on the stupid moron from suburbia. In fact, think I used the word "retard" to describe my expertise; but that's not a lot different than "stupid moron." I didn't pretend or claim to know what I was talking about; I suggested the opposite, remember? Useful tip: It might be helpful to read the piece you're trashing before trashing it. Also, it's true I'm a stupid moron from suburbia; but I'm pretty sure some people out here aren't. I'm guessing there are a lot of people in the burbs who know their sh*t about computers and tech, etc. I don't know them -- and they may think I'm a stupid moron in that area too and wouldn't want to hang out with me -- but surely they're here.]

"...This kind of anecdotal evidence [that's positive to Apple] would fail a first year journalism student. Hell, in high school that would be marks off any paper...I cringed while reading this..."
[The piece was presented as an anecdotal personal experience. And if you're referring to a comment in the piece in which I said, e.g., Apple has "won"...always good to read the following sentences -- in this case in which I said, "How do I know it's won? I don't." Again, deep breaths, read the 1st line, then the 2nd and, if you haven't exhausted yourself, so on...]

"Your light gray font sucks..."
[Excellent. When you don't like the message, kill the font-creator. Unfortunately, I had nothing to do with the font; but I'll pass on your criticism. How do you feel about magenta?]

Thing is, all the reactions (negative & positive) got me thinking. I wrote the piece off of my first visit to an Apple Store. Why don't I go back again, see what's up now? So I did. And, it so happens, on another cold, crappy snowing-sleeting day in the northeast. I won't go into detail, but here are a few highlights of what I saw -- non-journalistically and as the dumbass stupid idiotic sucking moron observer that I am...

  1. The Apple Store Was Packed. The mall was pretty desolate on account of the weather. Yet (again) the Apple Store was packed. To you Haters out there, I'm sorry. What can I do? The place was filled. People still seemed like they were having a good time, the lines at the registers were active, there was still a line waiting to get into the "lounge" area.
  2. Apple Geniuses (or sales people). They looked mostly geeky, as before. They seemed equally competent & aggressive. There were still some girls there hovering about some of them -- but probably not quite as many. Also, unlike my first visit, I wasn't sold a new desk top system. (1 in a couple weeks is enough.)
  3. I did not observe any moms approaching store managers asking about getting their kids signed up for the Genius Program. But I did ask a manager about it. He said people come in every day to sign up and they can't accommodate most of them. Was he lying? No clue.
  4. The Steve Jobs Photo. Last time, I mentioned there was a photo of Jobs -- in his typical black garb -- on the wall. This time it wasn't there. Stolen or defiled by an Apple Hater? Taken down for updating? (Maybe Jobs is finally going to lose the black turtleneck?) I asked an asst. manager, but he had no idea.
  5. Bridging The Generation Gap. Still a lot of young people and older ones playing with the tech toys and seeming to have a good time -- sometimes on their own, sometimes with each other. I'll defer to the experts to determine the significance. But I stand by my observation: Any company that manages to create a happening destination and a product line that gets teens and fogies equally excited has figured out something pretty impressive. Does this mean the products are good or better than the competitors'? No -- I have no idea whether they are or not; and I'm not touting (and never did) any Apple product at all. But Apple has gotten retail and marketing and style down and no Apple critics can change those facts.
  6. A Place To Buy Furniture. It was a joke, for chrissakes. Yea, the furniture was comfortable. But I'd never buy my furniture at Apple...at least unless they offered me more of their great coffee from the lounge and a few used computer magazines from the lounge tables.

Has Apple "won"? Like I said before, I have no idea really. But here is what I have an idea about. First, to the people who challenged the "Apple-winning" concept based on Apple's market share -- it's true, they've got a ways to go; but in consumer market share (as opposed to business) and in terms of overall growth trends, Apple is gaining huge ground. They're also winners in marketing, packaging, design -- and, as importantly from a business perspective, in capturing the imagination of the consumer. Numerous established companies (including many in the media, some at which I've worked) are now regularly modeling against Apple tactics. Apple has succeeded in turning its products (and not just computers obviously) into "happenings", its brand into a "cool" concept people want to be associated with. It's not easy and tons of companies across many industries are trying to catch up and copy.

As for Apple Stores...I've been told by lots of people my experience is common. Whether it is or not, the fact that I observe things the way I have means something. Because, coming from a place where I really couldn't care less about Apple or any of its competitors, if I leave a store feeling there's something unusual-special going on there, that matters. It matters too that in this upscale mall in the heart of suburbia, Apple is filled with people looking to play and buy -- when most of the other mall stores are largely empty.

As for my being an idiot about buying a new desktop system on my last (first) visit to Apple...like I said, I'm an idiot. But, in truth, I wanted it. I knew some people who raved about the computer; I was interested in trying a Mac (having used Dells for so long). I figured if I didn't like it or became more "rational" when I got home, I could always return it. I had already promised myself a very large gift (though was thinking more like a big TV) -- but (to paraphrase from an ancient movie) sometimes, in the moment, you just have to say what the f**k.


M.B.Darden has written for numerous magazines and newspapers (some of which you have heard of). He has had more jobs in the media & entertainment & financial industries than he can remember (i.e., he's been fired a lot, but then often inexplicably rehired). He lives in the burbs somewhere in the Northeast, with his family and, he says, within 30 minutes of 14 shopping malls....read more rants

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Macs

- submitted by Mister P on 02/14/2008

Macs are white. 'nuff said


You're a good writer and you

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

You're a good writer and you caused a stir with our opinion, there's no reason to be a pussy and write a second article explaining why you wrote the first one, grow some balls.


Hope you got paid for this...

- submitted by Jack on 02/14/2008

...And not by burbia.com, but by Steve Jobs for what is now a 2-post blowjob to Apple. Congratulations on using your supposed ignorance to become a shill. I hope your credibility, if you ever had any, died a short and painless death.


re: more crap

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

"I'll tell you what makes you look ignorant - using 'nubile' when you presumably mean 'newbie'. Unless you are suggesting that Mr. Darden is a sexually attractive young woman?

I guess you're not afraid to have people say you sound like a moron, anyway. Good for you!"

FTW!


Okay, here's a criticism...

- submitted by David on 02/14/2008

Awesome article(s). However, for no apparent reason, I feel compelled to point out that:

"I could care less about Apple or its products."

Probably should read:

"I couldn't care less about Apple or its products."

And, I think that is the root of all the angst. ;)

-- David


I'm a web designer. I use

- submitted by D on 02/14/2008

I'm a web designer. I use both a Mac and a PC...and I've gotta say I get WAY more work accomplished on my PC then I do my Mac. Sure, my Mac looks good beneath my desk...and I guess as a designer I should care about the aesthetics of my equipment. But I don't. And neither do my clients / bosses. I'd rather spend my time and money on making my products look better than the friggin' equipment. And the Apple Store is the epitome of Apple's attitude about their business. All flash, no substance!

In fact, I had one of my coworkers tell me the other day he was planning on buying the new Air to take to his client meetings (we all do freelance on the side), his reason being that once the client sees the Mac Book, they'll immediately gush over whatever design he's showing them and sign up for a project with him...where as on the other hand, I prefer my clients be impressed with my ACTUAL work rather than my computer. Anyone can BUY something that looks pretty. Try making it yourself.


like they said...

- submitted by Mark Egge on 02/14/2008

you suck.*

(* - That's a joke. Thanks for lending some refreshing levity to the wonderful world of anonymous internet stupidity, flaming and Apple love/hate fanboyism.)


To all apple users..

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

You want to know why us (pc users) are sick of Mac-apple-Ipod-iphone. It is a very simple answer: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

I am sick of apple users talking about their Mac product. What your ipod is broken, take out the battery. Oh shit you cannot. Cannot wait to see the iphone here. I think apple has done a great job with their product and marketing to people who need to be babysat with a computer. But wait what about the people whom do not. what we have to convert to an Apple. I have to pay $3000 for some G5 plus all the software I have to buy. I will stick to XP and my cygwin inteface until I move to linux completely. Oh wait OSX is unix based cool for apple. Well lets see what issues can happen with this power. Wait until some kid gets superuser access to the nice G5 in the Den. Opens up a terminal and runs the "rm -rf" command. Bye bye all files. There will be no asking no anything. I wait for the super virus to hit the Apples of the planet that can run this command. It is not a matter of if it is a matter of when.

So keep blahing about your product and how much us PC's users suck. At least I have control of my computer. Do you?


I just wanted to say thinks

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

I just wanted to say thinks for writing an honest and truthful article. I have been a windows person from birth and i'm now saving money for my first Mac! I'm a huge gamer and well for years Apple fell short. Now with the Intel based Mac's and publishers like EA hopping on the Mac bandwagon, I'm secure in my decision to switch. Oh and I just applied to my local Apple store, why not go to college and work at a place where I don't feel like a nerd (even though I am!)


Old time Unix guy here,

- submitted by Tony Lawrence on 02/14/2008

Old time Unix guy here, started buying Macs with OS X..

The PC people get angry because.. well, I think because in their hearts they know the Macs really are better (of course not when it comes to running PC software, though even that can be done with virtualization).

The reality is that I am seeing more and more Windows tech people carrying Macs. More and more people make nasty comments about the "Windows junk" they have to use at work.. more and more people "know" Macs are what they want.

Windows days are numbered.. I think it's going to turn upside down..


you cant compare macs to

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

you cant compare macs to dell pcs, a monkey slinging poo woulnt even make the same mistake but apparently people who reponded here had several times.

dell sells pcs with high processor speed but low ram and sh*t mother boards. that makes the users think they are getting a bargain but are paying to much in actuality.

you throw out a ludicris claim that 'apple has won' and back it up with rediculous facts and didnt expect a piss storm from people. why did they react in such a way? because your article got digged more then it should have and lots of readeres hoping to find a good article found one by a writer whom bassically claims himself a tech idiot anyways but still goes on to declare such a blanket statement.

currently, there are very few software/hardware makers out there who actually give the people what they want/need. apple is increasingly becoming more and more obnoxious with its products. the mp3 player is far supperior then an ipod.

ipods are horible products, you cant copy songs to your ipod, you have to 'sync' it which takes a factor of 10+ times longer to do. that also limits your ability to put things in certain folders alowing the user to chose which folder they want to listen to, instead they must spend hours and hours creating play lists, that get corrupted by itunes upgrades that add more shopping cart features. i could go on, but why say all this? because many of mac's new products are acting more and more like this.

mac's recent profits has been almost entirely ipod and itunes sales, now the iphone. their computer market hasnt been doing great.


Who cares...to each his own

- submitted by Anonymous Designer on 02/14/2008

Both PC & MAC are computers...this debate is retarded. any person thats used either MS or Apple for any prolonged duration of time should know that both systems run into problems. that said i use a home built windows based machine since i enjoy playing games, its more cost effective (this doesnt hold true for all computer price points) and i realize that system maintenance is fairly important to any operating systems stability (eg apples BETTER stability/lack of viruses can mean very little difference if you properly upkeep your system or dont go around opening every email and link you see).

lastly as a design major i dont particularly care for the snooty and misleading mac vs pc commercials. mainly i dont care for the tactic because it seems to jade the ill informed people of earth away from the reality that PC and MAC (perhaps its just technology) are both easy to use.

the perfect example of why we dont need such misleading commercials was illustrated for me the other day by a friend. said friend works for geek squad and encountered an apple user with an ipod that was under the impression that her ipod didnt need to be charged (lol, it just works!?! ) and couldnt understand why it was no longer working...gg retard. im sure pc users can be just as stupid judging by some of the responses here but yea ignorance can be quite amusing at times.


Apple Store

- submitted by Ralph H. on 02/14/2008

Great pair of articles. I was in an Apple Store shortly before Christmas. The mall was packed and the store was wall to wall -- you had to go outside to change your mind, as they say. I didn't see a lounge, but maybe I missed it. The ambience was what you described -- huge staff of geeky & very approachable "Apple Geniuses," multi-gen customer set, totally cool decor, amazing hardware to play with. Yeah, I'm a longtime Dell guy, but now I could see myself with an iMac.


what i learned at an apple retail store

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

as a former apple retail employee i have learned that to work there you have to be good at acting. you have to pretend that you are getting treated fairly, that you are selling the customer the best thing for them (and not the best thing for your store managers quarterly bonus!!!!), and you have to be able to take everything like a bitch. revolting will get you purged. working for apple is participating in a cult. but hey, at least i got this sweet free iphone!

- your friendly mac specialist

p.s - don't buy .mac.


what i learned at an apple retail store

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

as a former apple retail employee i have learned that to work there you have to be good at acting. you have to pretend that you are getting treated fairly, that you are selling the customer the best thing for them (and not the best thing for your store managers quarterly bonus!!!!), and you have to be able to take everything like a bitch. revolting will get you purged. working for apple is participating in a cult. but hey, at least i got this sweet free iphone!

- your friendly mac specialist

p.s - don't buy .mac.


what i learned at an apple retail store

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

as a former apple retail employee i have learned that to work there you have to be good at acting. you have to pretend that you are getting treated fairly, that you are selling the customer the best thing for them (and not the best thing for your store managers quarterly bonus!!!!), and you have to be able to take everything like a bitch. revolting will get you purged. working for apple is participating in a cult. but hey, at least i got this sweet free iphone!

- your friendly mac specialist

p.s - don't buy .mac.


what i learned at an apple retail store

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

as a former apple retail employee i have learned that to work there you have to be good at acting. you have to pretend that you are getting treated fairly, that you are selling the customer the best thing for them (and not the best thing for your store managers quarterly bonus!!!!), and you have to be able to take everything like a bitch. revolting will get you purged. working for apple is participating in a cult. but hey, at least i got this sweet free iphone!

- your friendly mac specialist

p.s - don't buy .mac.


what i learned at an apple retail store

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

as a former apple retail employee i have learned that to work there you have to be good at acting. you have to pretend that you are getting treated fairly, that you are selling the customer the best thing for them (and not the best thing for your store managers quarterly bonus!!!!), and you have to be able to take everything like a bitch. revolting will get you purged. working for apple is participating in a cult. but hey, at least i got this sweet free iphone!

- your friendly mac specialist

p.s - don't buy .mac.


You're the man

- submitted by Cicero on 02/14/2008

So here's the first thing - Cicero is my pen-name - for those who wonder why, the name itself should be enough of a hint - if you don't know who Cicero is, then stop reading and get back to high school to learn something.

To the point at hand - to the guy who wrote this in the first place - YOU ROCK MAN. Everything you said was DEAD-ON re: Apple as a company, a technology, and a culture. If people don't like it, then fine - piss-off. But of they don't like it AND they feel the need to demean you and call you names WITHOUT PROVOCATION, then I have other choice words that I will not print here. Seriously, I would challenge any of them to a debate, confrontation, smackdown - their choice - but the thing is, they would never accept.

First, because they are too devoid of intellect to debate and second, because they are all usually moronic *FILL-IN ADJECTIVE HERE*.

The folks who tried to flame you because of your first article remind me of the morons we just had up here in Berkley - ON BOTH SIDES - regarding the city council's decision re: military recruiters. This is a very alarming HUMAN BEHAVIOR issue - people are just plain dumb.

Thomas Jefferson said over 200 years ago that this experiment called American Democracy will only work AS LONG AS THE POPULOUS REMAINS EDUCATED - otherwise, it will slowly decline and eventually fail. It happened to the Roman republic and it's happening here.

As education budgets continue to be less of a priority and decline, so does our future - we reap what we sow.

Keep up the good work...


Oh Holy Apple?

- submitted by Andrew on 02/14/2008

I find it funny how some Apple loyalists and fans take a holier than thou stance when the company they defend is the one producing the Mac vs. PC campaign to sell its products. Who really is the childish one? I don't think its the PC users. Maybe its the tireless stream of misinformation coming from the company you love so much that makes PC users all disturbed.

Don't like your PC? Whats the chance that it got the way it is because you made it so?

I bet its right at 100%.

I don't hate on Apple for what it does. Ultimately its a company trying sell hardware. They are just another Dell. Apple could make millions selling OS X to the world but they choose not too because they don't want to support open standards and they don't want to deal with people having things their way. Which by the way is what you get when you buy a PC. This is why Apple switched to Intel Hardware. More appealing to the world market. I remember one of their ads stated that no PC in the world could run Windows XP better than a Mac. Well they got that wrong again. Ask a Mac Pro owner from 2006 if they got a shiny new Nvidia based 8800GT video card to work in their Mac. Chances are if they tried they didn't because of Apple jacking with things they shouldn't mess with. Do the letters EFI mean anything to you. If your wondering, which I'm sure you are, I popped an off the shelf 8800GT right into my PC and powered right up. It was also $100 cheaper for same card.

You see there are many many reasons why Apple will never win.


Yahoo Merger

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Why do you think NO ONE wants MS to buy Yahoo? Because MS will destroy their web apps. MS is notorious for building bloated, over complicated software. It has been years since they have been innovative.

You can't deny the Apple software/hardware is the most simple, elegant and intellegent software/hardware you can buy at the moment. Maybe that will change, but for now that's the fact.

The Apple store is a testament to Apple's unmatchable design philosophy. Thanks for the article.


Haters...

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

I'm slowly coming around to Macs. They became stable when Apple adopted BSD. Since they switched to Intel chips the prices are closer to reasonable.

But... your stereotypical Mac user is still a tool--willing to pay more for a less functional product because it's shiny and/or buys them into certain circles. By itself this wouldn't induce hatred but when coupled with the not atypical Mac user smugness it just begs a verbal smackdown.

If you don't want to spend the time to learn how to really use a computer, fine. If you're willing to pay $2,300 to have your hand held while you stumble through some just-above-basic procedures, fine. But when you start acting like you're smarter or better because of it, don't be surprised when I put you in your place.

Anything an admitted newby like you can do with your Mac, I can do on a $300 Dell running Linux and then some. Imagine what I could do with the remaing $2000. Hopefully, you can understand why some of us are a little incensed when we hear the smarmy smug-hockers refer to themselves as 'geniuses'.


The Apple Core

- submitted by Darrell W on 02/14/2008

Like many people, I have been a Dell / build it your self type for many years now but 6 months ago I took a plunge and bought a mac book. I was pretty impressed initially but never really used it much until my primary desktop system died. This was my primary business machine so needless to say I was in a bit of a panic to get up and running. As a temporary fix I began using my mac book for real and indeed picked up a copy of parallels to tide me over for those XP only apps I ran.

To make a long story short, I've since started using one my secondary monitors with the mac book and this has become my work station.

That was seven months ago now. I am saving up for a mac pro but quite frankly there is nothing I can't really do with this little amazing laptop.

The combination of easy to use interface and slick ergonomic design means (for me) that I am spending more time making money and less time on technical / maintenance issues. I will never go back... especially to the Vista headache.


love it

- submitted by Iphone on 02/14/2008

I read both of your articles while waiting for my wife at her doc's apt. using my iPhone. I was even able to leave a comment without much trouble and I can say without regret that my switch from of to apple brand products was one of my better technological decisions. Apple is a great company with great products. Thanks for a thought provoking article.


dumb

- submitted by seth on 02/14/2008

the mac vs pc thing is fucking stupid. i used a pc, now i have a mac. they have great design sense and i like their product. it's not inherently better than a PC, but the opposite isn't true either. they're both computers. they both compute. where's the problem?


LOL @ I love PCs / SUCK

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

LOL @ I love PCs / SUCK hacker.


You fruit lover

- submitted by Assmaster on 02/14/2008

Where do you lift weights? I lift them down my cellar. I just think all us guys with huge sexual organs should all hang out together. Do you like me.? I hope so.


121

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

121


Wow!

- submitted by Jim on 02/14/2008

I'm amazed at the kuffufful this has become. I'm far from an intellectual but my goodness, I'm shocked at how enraged some of these people are.

In 2003, I had an epiphany and realized that I had modeled my life around supporting my Windows PC's at home and at work. I had become so accustomed to WIndows failures that I had created redundant hard drives with complete images of each system including laptops, towers, etc. Of course since I had different brand systems, I had to have a separate image for each one. Then, I had created image CD's with Windows advanced support tools on startup drives and even stored extra ram, video boards, keyboards, mice, etc. on shelves in my closet just in case something crashed. Every day it seemed, I was fixing email, defraging a hard drive, validating failed backups, restoring deleted files or any number of things.

The straw had broken the proverbial camel's back and looking at my wife, I said "we're going to the Apple store". Later that evening, we're coming home with a brand new iMac with Airport Extreme just to see how she liked it. Two iMac's, a PowerBook and a MacBook Pro later, I use a computer to enhance and enrich my life not control it. Ok, sure... I am a geek, engineer by training and trade but you couldn't get me to use a Windows PC again if my life depended on it.

On the cultural side, I've learned that the Mac community is a virtual family. People who enjoy creativity because our minds aren't cluttered by TSR's, DLL's, PST's, etc. and we're allowed to create and live outside the white box. Apple's Mac/PC commercials are remarkable quips that do strike a nerve and if I were a hard-core WIndows person, i would probably take exception to them.

Bottom line, yes... Apple has figured out how to touch peoples hearts and capture their imagination and loyalty - thats a good thing because losing sight of what's really important is something so many people enthralled in Windows-land have done like it or not. My hope is that one day, they'll realize the danger zone their in and want to step out of it - taking the "red pill" won't kill you but it will make you realize there is more to this world than maintaining Windows PC's.

Just my .02 cents - from a friendly Mac convert.


OMG Genius = Technician Mac

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

OMG

Genius = Technician

Mac Specialist = Sales Person

You'd think by the second effing article about this you would've at least gotten some of your facts straight

Otherwise this article didn't bother me (this coming from an Apple store employee)


Apple Retail reality

- submitted by jj on 02/14/2008

fwiw, Apple's stores generate the highest dollar per square foot of any retail store, $4,500 per sq ft in fiscal 2007. Tiffany and Company pales at #2 with $2,750. Best Buy is just $929 per sq ft.

source: Fortune http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/category/apple-stores/


Damn good!

- submitted by Xof711 on 02/14/2008

That's what people don't get... Once you go Mac, you never come back!

It's the community, not the brand ;)


Amusing

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Unfortunately I actually do know what I'm doing, when I asked a question about the origins/derivation of OSX, or for a book which describes the inner workings, the bit between "OSX Internals" and "the missing manual" how the windows manager is spawned, details of the boot process, etc. I was told I'd have to speak to one of the "geniuses", I thought they were being ironic.

I was so "dumb" that I thought the Genius bar, was actually a bar, as it had a count down timer, and a schedule for when the next people would be let in. I wondered how they secured the laptops, etc. overnight when the shop wasn't open and people still wanted to get into the bar. This is England, where power drinking in bars is a national pastime.

It wasn't until I read an article by a undercover journalist/blogger about working in an Apple store that I begin to understand why the place looked the way it did, and that geniuses, were simply advanced users.

That said, I think your comments are fairly dead on. The place is always packed, and there is definitely a vibe in the store that you don't get elsewhere. People of all ages, many fickle teens amongst them, are actively involved playing with some very cool toys. You do get the feeling that if people had the money they would buy simply because the stuff is so damn slick and simple to use. The web cams and live internet feeds are a big hit.

Unfortunately for me, that's the primary reason I'm out of place in an Apple store, nobody can answer my questions, not even the geniuses. They can't even tell me where to find the books. I half suspect that the books I want don't actually exist.

But Scientology? No, the one thing Apple isn't is Scientology, trust me on that.

I am Anomymous we are legion We do not forgive we do not forget We're holding parties on March 15th with hats and free cake, you're all invited. :)


nice...

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

you know you just invited more flaming stupidity? I'm starting to wonder whether you're one of those flaming stupid people...


I really liked your article-

- submitted by Erin on 02/14/2008

I really liked your article- it was definitely well articulated, although I can't say I share your same candor for the prototypical Apple stores. I live in New Jersey, home of many, many malls, and the couple of Apple stores I've been in have given me some hysteria/claustrophobia- around here, they're crowded and poorly set up. In all fairness, they were some of the first Apple stores introduced, but alas and alack. I got my very first Apple item just this year, an I-pod touch, after years of Jobs-phobia; I went into the store to purchase a case and an I-travel, and I couldn't get anyone to help me. When I finally found what I was looking for, it was on a shelf that reached at least a foot above my head and had to get a good Samaritan patron of the store to grab it for me. After I had my items in hand, I wandered around looking for a register, and swiftly realized there wasn't one. The store temperature had to have been above eighty degrees, and there was no real rationale to where the associates were. Finally, I found someone to ask, and when I shyly admitted this was my first Apple purchase, he proceeded to chastise me for being "one of those Windows users". I was brought up in a geek household, so I've run Linux since I was about fourteen, and took offense that a) I was being chastised, and b) I'd never run Windows on any of my own machines. But alas, at least the products I purchased worked really well. I think it's pretty narrow-minded that people are out and out name-calling instead of making an argument pro or against, all I know is that my next Apple encounter will definitely be in their *online* shop.


Jumping Ship Today........

- submitted by ITWiz on 02/14/2008

Enjoyed both the articles, the feedback received was crazy! I've been a PC owner for 15 years during which time I have worked in IT supporting Unix & Windows. With the arrival of Vista, constant reboots & freezes, BSOD, & finally a dead motherboard I'm about to join the Intel Mac bandwagon. Maybe my demographic has changed but all I now want at home is a computing experience that works & allows me to do the basics without the pain. Hello iMac.........


Wow ... nice flame war guys !

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/14/2008

Wow ... nice flame war guys !


Priceless Work

- submitted by CD in Brooklyn on 02/14/2008

You have made mt night with this article!! I would hardly consider myself a apple fanboy, but I also find the apple store alure fasinating, Weather it's Soho, 5th Ave, or the Staten Island mall, the store is always crowded and people appear to be having fun. The comments from the anti-apple folks are priceless they are either hardcore gamers or 12 year olds.

Thanks!


Dead on

- submitted by not you on 02/15/2008

I am a current Apple employee and the environment you described is the exact one i work in. There are learning experiences and toys every where you turn and people of all ages can mess around and some time spend hours in the store and just get lost online. Thanks for the good words but I have been to a few other Apple stores and have never seen a Steve Jobs picture (it does not mesh with the pristine look he is aiming for).


Liked both articles. The 2nd

- submitted by SoSane on 02/15/2008

Liked both articles. The 2nd was funny as hell. I've never used Macs. but when the article says Apple has won, its hard to objectively deny it. Dont think the article is saying Apple products work better or are better value. Apple has created a media & pop culture juggernaut (sp). Lot of style over function but so what? I've been to an Apple store near me outside Chicago, and it's almost identical to the store the author described. Really I thought the same thing, they must being giving things away.

I guarantee you 99% of retailers would die to have the store buzz and traffic Apple has. Can't wait for part 3, LOL, Peace.


Apple Store

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/15/2008

First piece was very funny, thanks.

But if anything, you understate the case for the Apple Store. Yes, the design of the store is great, and the products are great too. But its the service at the store that really sets it apart.

The uniqueness of the Apple Store is apparent way before you walk in. Where else can you go online from home and make a reservation to get help? And when you get there, there's a tech guy ready to help, and guess what, he or she really can help. Compare this to Best Buy.

Then there are all the "Creatives" helping out people do more with their computers. My wife goes in regularly just to learn from these folks. When has that ever happened before in the history of retail?

Then there is the way salespeople roam the store with handheld checkout devices. And send you a receipt instantly through email.

Apple has completely reinvented retail. You can like the Mac or hate the Mac, but the store is in a class all by itself.


Pilgrimage

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/15/2008

There was a reason I made a pilgrimage to the Apple store right before Christmas to buy two iPods. It was because of that vibe you write about in both articles. I felt it the first time I visited the store and when I was ready to buy, I wanted to feel it again.

Foolish me, but I passed two Target's and a Wal-mart that carried the same thing I was looking for at the Apple store just so I could walk around and look a few more minutes. I even paid about $20 more for the privilege.

I've passed the Apple section in CompUSA (before they closed the doors) at least one hundred times and never given it a thought. The Apple store however makes viewing and buying a piece of technology exciting. They definitely have something going on in the design and marketing department and can, if just for a few minutes, make the biggest good ole' boy feel like a bohemian straight out of a design school dormitory. Hence all the old fogies getting their fix and the hip teens dreaming.

I've made my career for the last 15 years supporting Microsoft products and I've heard all the arguments for and against Apple. I've seen the fanboys rant just like they did on your first post about some of Microsoft's most successful products. I've heard the arguments for and against Linux and Apple and Microsoft until I don't care what other people think anymore. What I use works for me.

I enjoyed reading both articles and I hope you enjoy your new desktop. Good luck.


I think when people are

- submitted by Achilles on 02/15/2008

I think when people are tagged as apple haters, it is because they are fed up with all the unreasonable apple fan boys.

A lot of mac fanboys out there (for which there are plenty) seem to think that their mac is a religious experience. You talk about the apple store like its a temple, and Steve Jobs is your prophet. Thats not healthy. C'mon guys, its a fucking computer, not a way of life. When you talk about going into an apple store being so warm, with a special air to it, a feeling of fraternity, blah blah blah, you sound just as goddamn ridiculous as Tom Cruise talking about Xenu.

I know a lot of people out there are tired of apple being so money grubbing: locking people into their products, making you pay for updates, and overcharging. But some people will let a company take advantage of them because of some weirdly perceived image they have of an apple in their head. And lets face it a lot of companies do, but I'm not willing to play their game, when i can help it at least.

Chill out people: think of it this way, I think onions are disgusting, but I am not going to hate on somebody because they love to eat them. Although it doesnt make sense to me (how many foods make you cry?!! it must be evil!) I accept that people see things differently than me. So grats to you bro on your new mac, But for me, Ill stick to a PC/hackintosh


Very much not the same experience in the UK

- submitted by siman on 02/15/2008

My local Apple store in the UK really sucks - never been to one in the US - had to complain big style twice - both times very poor customer service mixed with low if not sub normal understanding of what they were selling. Don't get me wrong I have changed to MACs and caused two companies to change their IT to use Apple stuff. The UK guys are more interested in playing with the stuff and not selling ... in fact how they ever manage to sell anything is beyond me - ok thats not right they can sell but only cos Apple computers are a fad and IPods are now bling. No coffee no chairs just very poor customer service.


wow

- submitted by jake on 02/15/2008

its kinda funny how these guys spout off apple as being cool or hip. I dont care what laptop, ipod or other crap you own, you can buy all the shit in the world, it doesnt make you cool. your still just goona be that try hard looser who didnt get laid in high school and is all vindictive about it.

shut up


Brilliant!

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/15/2008

From one stupid moron to another....both of these pieces are spectacular. Your first Apple Store piece was the first I had read on your site...now I have subscribed to this feed on NetNewsWire, my RSS reader (which by the way, you should download for your new Mac).


Great Articles

- submitted by Steeltoed on 02/17/2008

Have been a PC user for years. Am reaching retirement, and went into an Apple store to check things out. have also been a retail executive for over 40 years in charge of product development and brand management. The store was packed like you described and young and old really seeming to have fun!! Really rare for any retailer!!

I have to admit I've been a mild Mac-hater for years, refusing to suck into the high prices of Macs for the simple beauty of design and elegance. However, with the help of some really enthusiastic young well-trained salesmen, I broke down and got an 8G Ipod Nano. I didn't need it, already have a wonderful Creative Zen Vision M 60G and a 2G Scandisk Sansa Rhapsody. But I really fell in love with the design, the feel, and the screen of the nano. The experience has been great.

So great that I went back, played around with the new OSX Leopard, and added a Mac Mini to my PC array. I really enjoy the difference and am glad I have PCs as well as the Mac. Using both for what their best at and enjoying the differences. I really like how tiny the Mac Mini format is on my desk.

As a retail executive, The Mac Store has really created something unique that every other retailer would give their eye teeth to have...it's truly unique in the world. Patagonia used to have a similar excitement and cachet to their stores years ago, but over time they've lost it. The old and young thing enjoying a new technology is truly an amazing phenomenon.

Seattle, WA/


I weep for society

- submitted by Anonymous on 02/17/2008

It is ironic that so many PC users complain about the "superior" attitude of Mac users, yet reading these posts you see the exact opposite. Nothing but insults (and rude ones at that. If you can't make your point without obscenities...) thrown at Mac users and the author in particular. Are you truly that insecure that you have to lash out, even though nobody actually said anything negative about you?

@Gabriel: You CAN upgrade the RAM and hard drives in Macs (and have always been able to, btw). Open up a Mac Pro sometime. Replacing the hard drive (or adding one) and the RAM would take about 5 minutes, start to finish. The myth of Macintosh lack of upgradability is exactly that - a myth. If you are referring to upgrading all-in-ones like the iMac, the story is a little different (but not much) due to design. RAM is dead simple. Hard drive is a little more difficult, but not insurmountable (but then again, most people don't buy AIOs in order to upgrade).

For the vast majority of the rest of the comments here, ignorance really shines through. So many blatantly incorrect statements being made that one doesn't even know where to begin (single button mouse? Are you really that ignorant? Apple stole the GUI from PARC? That myth has been debunked so many times I think there are actually books written about it). It is quite apparent that many are writing what they THINK they know rather than dealing with actual experience. And that is how this garbage perpetuates. Repeating the same tired old things because you read it in somebody else's post, without any regard to the truthfulness of the statements. And yet you readily complain about the author's writing when he clearly states that it is opinion.

//using Macs and PCs since before most of you were born, most likely.


hahaha

- submitted by idrankthekoolaid.com on 02/17/2008

Keep it coming you Apple-haters, I have material from just the comments to keep my blog going for some time.

Fine article, sir. And the Apple store visits are still the same for me a year down the road. I too sorta bought my Mac on a whim, and never looked back.


Issues

- submitted by Hallsie on 02/18/2008

I'm sorry but after reading both of your articles on this from digg I have to say that I will never read anything from this site again.

First I would like to say that I am NOT a "MAC Hater" in the fact that I think MACs are great for particular uses and not so great in others. For instance I believe that any video editing and/or multimedia content creation is better/easier done on a MAC at both a professional and amateur level. I also think that sure to do menial tasks (office apps and web browsing) a MAC can be just as effecient as a PC however the Cost/Savings from the purchase of a PC will ALWAYS win me vs. the allure of the MAC. I have been around PCs since the early 90s and an a network administrator for a company with 300 - 400 employees.

I would like to touch on this article first. You obviously felt the need to defend both your words (and your purchase) which is sad because as you attacked the "MAC Haters" you in yourself who didn't even know about them have in essence become a "Fanboy" in one little article. Not only that but as you went to attack back some of the comments on here you failed to attend to some of the more sincere, factual comments that were anti-MAC and chose to stoop to low levels attacking the posts that reeked of "Xbox Live 10 year old".

Now to touch on the first article. I think what you are getting at with both articles is that Apple has done for the PC what Bose has done for the Home Audio scene. They use clever marketing and aesthetics to create a false sense of "this product is where it's at and it's for me" mentality for those that really don't "need" this product. Just as you talk to a true audiophile you will find that Bose is nothing more than marketing, you will find some high end PC lovers that will tell you that MACs are more about the marketing than the actual product.

Truth be told, the system you bought, you over paid by about (and I'm going to go high price on the monitor) $1200 easily for a machine that does what you want to do. Another thing is that if all you are wanting to do with your machine is work with Office apps and surf the internet, a PC that costs $500 will last you about 5-7 years and easily longer than that if you do some minor upgrades.

The real problem I have with your articles are that you decided to write about a subject that which you know nothing about (computers) and decided to pass it off as you do (even though you say that you don't know what you are talking about). Like for instance comparing the images on the iMAC to a Sony HDTV. I'll clear this up for you, ANY LCD for a computer will have a bigger resolution than EVERY HDTV on the market. 1080p means that the max resolution for vertical lines is 1080. PC LCD Monitors that cost more than $300 can display better images than an HDTV. You preached that everything the MAC guy told you was the truth which if you were to walk into a Best Buy you would be told the exact same things for a PC (or a MAC now that they carry them). I just don't get how you can be so misleading on how you weren't planning on purchasing anything, yet somehow you were led into purchasing a $2300 PC. I just think it's funny because if you would have taken 10 minutes of time you could have gone to Lifehacker.com and gotten instructions on how to build your own MAC (OSX) box for ~$800.

Sadly I used to like to come here and read your stuff but you have turned me off just like the MSM and their lack of journalistic integrity. I'm sure your article on your new Bose Acoustimass system or how you gracefully installed Boot Camp on your MAC so you could play all those games you had that kid pirate for you will hit the front page of digg but I will not read it.


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