Overheard - contributed by playerlistener on 04/04/2007

'Loser' Can Have So Many Meanings

Kid: (on swing)  How come you're always home?

Dad: Well, so I can be with you, pal.

Kid:  How come you don't have a job, like other dads.

Dad: My job now is taking care of you, isn't that great?

Kid:  What does 'loser' mean?

Dad: (pauses) Loser? Where did you hear...

Kid:  Mommy, on the phone, talking to aunt Janey. She said you're a 'loser.'

Dad: She did. (pauses, turns red.)  Uh, 'loser' means...strong, like a hero.  (pauses)  Isn't it great I can spend so much time with you?

Kid:  You should get a job, loser. Loser. Loser. (Kid laughs, soars happily on swing.)...overhear more

--Overheard in: Playground, Madison NJ--

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Oh my, this poor guy. I'd

- submitted by Anonymous on 04/04/2007

Oh my, this poor guy. I'd like to hear the conversation between him and his wife that night!


I'm a dad and I stay at home

- submitted by stayathomer on 04/04/2007

I'm a dad and I stay at home with my 3 kids while my wife "works." I work a lot, as anyone with kids would know. This man's wife has issues. Maybe they never agreed that would be the arrangement, who knows.

But when your kids starting hearing things like that that's bad news.


i think this dad is right.

- submitted by Anonymous on 04/04/2007

i think this dad is right. probably the wife used the term, "loser" in it's more favorable light: as in, courageous and heroic and your dad is fantastic.


Call me anti=feminist. I

- submitted by getajob on 04/04/2007

Call me anti=feminist. I think guys ought get jobs, unless there's a real agreement among the partners. Also, what kind of guy would be happy doing diapers and playing on swings all day. A loser, that's who.


So, a guy shouldn't enjoy

- submitted by stayathomer on 04/04/2007

So, a guy shouldn't enjoy changing diapers and a woman should? Sounds like you're from the stone ages. Stay there.


No, I don't see how a woman

- submitted by getajob on 04/04/2007

No, I don't see how a woman would or should enjoy it either. I recognize it can depend on the people and the relationship. But, truthfully, if my guy wanted to spend all day with the kids and do nothing else, I'd have a problem with that. That's me, obviously, but I suspect other women would too, feminism or not.


Stay at home dads

- submitted by Anonymous on 04/04/2007

A friend of mine's husband has been a stay-at-home dad for the last 14 years. He was injured on the job while his wife was pregnant with their first child and was unable to do the same kind of work. If he had gone back to work, his paycheck would have basically covered the cost of daycare. It's worked out extremely well, and my friend has absolutely no problem with their set up.

So, who was the loser?


That's because feminism is

- submitted by Anonymous on 04/04/2007

That's because feminism is really only concerned with changing attitudes towards women, not trying to offer actual equality where men can enjoy spending time with their own kids without being ridiculed.


Stay at home dads, part 2

- submitted by Anonymous on 04/04/2007

P.S. He does all of the cleaning, laundry and cooking. Their house is cleaner than mine will ever be.


I totally agree with the

- submitted by speakingforguys on 04/04/2007

I totally agree with the above posters. There's a double standard. I've stayed at home the past 2 years. My wife wanted to work and somebody had to be with the kids. We couldn't afford full-time day care.

I did this as a favor to her. And she appreciates. Too many people in our town look at me as weird, or some kind of loser. But they're the ones with problems.

I'm comfortable with myself. I build things in my shop when the kids are occupied and I make myself constructive. In a year or 2, my wife and I will sit down and figure out how we next organize our schedules. Maybe I'll go back to working more.

But too many feminists don't assess the man's pov and respect it, and life is too complicated to assign stupid simplistic labels to what people do.


I also agree. That woman

- submitted by balanced on 04/04/2007

I also agree. That woman poster who says she wouldn't respect her guy if he was content staying with the kids? She's the loser. She's being superficial, materialistic and neanderthal.

I'm a woman and I stay at home. But I'd think no less of my husband if he did.


Everybody has right to

- submitted by chilled on 04/04/2007

Everybody has right to decide what works. If all my husband wanted to do was sit around the house and watch the kids, I'd have a problem with that.

If that makes me anti-feminist, so be it.


Radical feminists

- submitted by Anonymous on 04/16/2007

I would not want my children staying with strangers. If the wife insists on pursuing a career instead of being a wife and mother, the husband has an obligation to take care of his chidren, even if that means being ridiculed in the process. There is a big difference between a woman who has to work to help support the family(or is a single mom) and a woman who chooses to work in order to have an identity outside the family. Why do so many women find it degrading to have a traditional family?


It all depends on the

- submitted by Anonymous on 04/27/2007

It all depends on the couple. My husband (ex-husband) stayed at home for the first four years, the first two he didn't work at all and the last two part-time nights. It wasn't supposed to be that way and after four years of me supporting us I wanted things to change, I missed out on a lot with our son. Things didn't change though and it was enough to break us up. I resented him for about four more years and then a year or so ago, got past that.

I think there needs to be some clear goals and boundaries set in the beginning and revisiting them often to make sure it's all still working for each other.

Either way, there are no losers when someone decides to stay home with their child, it's quite a sacrifice. I wish I had known that ten years ago...


the wife

- submitted by Anonymous on 01/06/2008

the wife in this case is CLEARLY A LOSER.


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